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kingandy ([personal profile] kingandy) wrote2008-02-08 01:58 pm
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Nerd rage

Something about the components I installed yesterday (or the way I installed them) caused my PC to migrate from "occasionally unstable" (unexpected restart once a month or so) to "cripplingly plagued" (total system freeze within an hour of turning it on). I don't know, maybe I dislodged the memory, or something's touching something that shouldn't, or something. Either way, buying a new core system is suddenly markedly more enticing than it was.

(Is it likely to be one of the new components? All I put in was a new DVD-RW, a boxed Netgear wireless network card and a new fan. Anyone?)

What's holding me back right now is the motherboard. All I want is a reasonably cheap (~£40) Core 2 Duo-supporting S775 board with 2 IDE sockets that will take up to 4GB of memory. (This last is optional. I'm not planning on putting that much in to begin with, but it's nice to futureproof.) It's like IDE connections are going out of fashion. Which, you know, fair enough, but still, it's important (to me) for me to be able to connect both my optical drives and the old hard disk, at least to begin with. And ideally I'd like to continue to use the HD at least for storage backup - I don't see 100GB of storage as something you simply throw away.

Pricing rants aside, I'd be tempted to just buy this on the basis that it will definitely all work together, except it's only got 1GB of RAM. And one IDE connection. And it won't tell me what the motherboard is, so I can't buy more RAM myself. But still, it tempts.

EDITED TO ADD: Ah! eBuyer do that thing I've been wondering why people don't do, and suggests compatible (and alternative) hardware. Unfortunately it is genuinely starting to look like the second IDE socket is what they take out to make room for the second core...

EDITED TO ADD EDITED TO ADD: Oh, it's the wireless network card. Taking it out allowed the system to run for 2+ hours without difficulty; returning it caused immediate apoplectic fits. Am downloading new drivers. Using the faulty network card. May be some time.

Am just stepping out.

[identity profile] paulgregory.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
You're probably best off getting one of those cheapish USB HD caddies that would take an IDE hard drive (instant portable backup storage), leaving the single IDE for your new DVD-RW.

[identity profile] wibblefish.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to suggest the caddy option as it's definately wise to have external backup, online backup is getting better too but is still very slow.

you can get SATA to IDE converters, thin about £15. Not ideal but may solve your problems short term

As for reinstalling OS, if you are changing major system components and or experiencing reliability issues that may be wise anyway.

[identity profile] paulgregory.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, every superstar DJ needs to spin multiple discs at once.

[identity profile] micolithe.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Was it a case fan or a fan for your processor? Because if it's for the processor it might not be good enough and as such when your processor reaches 110 degrees the whole thing freezes.

[identity profile] wibblefish.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
if processor poor seating or placement could also cause instability

[identity profile] arwel.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Search google for the intel thermal analysis tool, assuming your machine has an intel processor, install it and run the stress test. It should give you an indication if your problems are temperature related.

[identity profile] mrssshhh.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Once you guarantee compatibilty, you open yourself up to a whole new world of product returns.

That's why most people don't do it. Unless eBuyer have changed their business model significantly in the last two years, they will simply re-sell returns as new stock.

Which is illegal, just hard to prove.

Graphics cards

[identity profile] masati.livejournal.com 2008-02-08 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
If you're looking for a new motherboard and have an old existing system then beware - you may need to get a new (or on board) graphics card.

The industry peskily changed the format for graphics cards from ATX to PCI-E. I discovered this when my CPU/Mobo died, and I found my relatively spangly, though few year old, graphics card was useless to me; I just couldn't get a mobo that had an appropriate slot.

Re: Graphics cards

[identity profile] the-prince.livejournal.com 2008-02-11 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
8800 GT if you're feeling flush.
My factory overclocked 8800GT cost just under £150, and currently the Nvidia 8800 series is kicking the Radeon's into the gutter. Overclocked GTs are almost as fast as the 8800 GTXs which are the top flight currently and ~£400.

I personally find Tomshardware pretty useful for deciding what compares to what.

By the way, were you running the suspect network card Sunday evening? Net traffic through the router dived to an absolute crawl periodically , and I couldn't figure out what was causing it...