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January has come and January has gone, and Maelstrom has failed to materialise. Allegedly the mailshot has/willsoonbe gone out, but that's just not good enough. We were promised January. I demand my money back!

It's something I've found myself saying a lot lately, but is no less true for it: if you give somebody something for free they get annoyed when you take it away. And even if you know it belongs to you - you were being generous letting them use it for a time - you feel bad about depriving them. Especially when they look up at you with their big, brown doe eyes and say "Oh please Andy, I won't be much longer, I just have to finish chatting to everyone then you can have your computer back..."

Really, it's like kicking a puppy. Which is why I found myself watching the X-Men movie last night. Sigh.

Date: 2004-02-02 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delvy.livejournal.com
It will be out soon. Last bit gets collected today or tomorrow I believe and that gets enveloped up and sent out. Should be posted tomorrow or wednesday witha bit of luck so I'd expect it to be through your letter box by/on friday.

You don't own it, you haven't paid for it and it's our ball so play nice :-)

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Date: 2004-02-02 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delvy.livejournal.com
Not everything has to be done on the web. Not everyone has web access for a starter and there is something to be said for having thr hard copy in front of you. There really is.

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Date: 2004-02-02 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delvy.livejournal.com
Nope. Any PDF would have to be at stupidly low res compared to the printed version or be too big for almost anyone's download speeds. Not going to happen.

Just hang in there for 3 or 4 more days, thats all it is.

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Date: 2004-02-02 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samharber.livejournal.com
Some of us have corporate bandwidth to waste.

And boy, do I enjoy wasting it.

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Date: 2004-02-02 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghostbritain.livejournal.com
That's just a poor excuse, and you should know it.

As far as i can tell, 90% of your audience have web access and read Pagga.
And as many bells & whistles your rule book has, the larger majority of those who wish to attend would be more than happy with html text version they can cut & paste, download, print off etc.

The argument 'not everything has to be done on the web' is fair enough, but i'm guessing it's going to be a right royal pain personally posting out the finely engraved and platinum gilded rules that are, i expect, illuminated on the cured skins of unborn calves.

I'm not a computer nerd, but even i know that setting up a basic html link with text takes no actual time. And is user friendly, and doesn't disappoint, and doesn't invite comparisons to both 'Matrix:reloaded' and 'StarWars:The Phantom Menace'.

Date: 2004-02-02 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delvy.livejournal.com
It is, quite simply, not a poor excuse. Do you know what it is we are producing? Are you familiar with the background, the cosmology or the rules mechanics? The artwork, the photos and the text of the documents?

As the saying goes "Rome was not built in a day."

And, with the greatest of respect, you do no have any rights to demand the rulebook. You have nothing invested in it. You have paid nothing. In four months about thirty people have spent all their spare time and more trying to create a new, exciting and vibrant Fest system. This takes time, no matter how much effort goes into it; some of us only just managed to cling onto real lives.

90% of our audience do *not* have regular access to the internet despite what some people seem to think; in fact it amazes me that some users believe everyone else spends as much time on it as they do. Websites take development. We are creating a professional site for Profound Decisions; you might want the rules slapped up in a cheap and cheerful fashion but we are not going to provide that. We are trying to present a high quality product, above and beyond those that have gone before. I am sorry if you find that offensive.

Mr Raff, if you're listening, that was the end of my very long ad polite tether. I'll go and calm down now.

And as Mr Wilkin said. "It's only a fucking game"

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Date: 2004-02-02 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samharber.livejournal.com
Must resist.... urge to provoke response....

Your right... we have no right to expect anything. However... this game has provoked an unprecedented level of expectation. It seems to be far exceeding even GDs pre and post event hype.

Its all the more amazing considering the short space of time its been done in.

However..... (theres always a however)

Most of us need to acquire costumes, sort out backgrounds etc, and we don't have a huge amount of time. I've got even less time, because I need to sort out stuff for Everichon a few weeks before.

So.... please understand our eagerness/impatience (delete whichever causes you most annoyance).

Perhaps we could bribe you?

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Date: 2004-02-03 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghostbritain.livejournal.com
Wait, i've just thought!

Currently Maestrom only exits as a pagga board and as a word of mouth myth.

That is why i believe most of those who are interested in the system have net access.
Because it only exists on the web.

I for one have not been made aware of any other format it exists in.

Also, i'm not demanding a rule book, i'm suggesting that the website should be up, with a basic, temporary, version of the rules, which would instantly stop wankers like myself pestering you.

The only person i know who has any solid idea of the system is Katy Bacon, who sneeked a peek at Matts paper copy of the rules.

Now, if Matt has a paper copy of the rules, then i guess that the rest of us can as well.

I've nothing against fancy rule books, i own limited edition fancy WoD books that cost £50.
But really, they make no actual difference, and i would have been happy with a straight, normal copy.

Currently i'm reserving judgement on the whole thing until i can actually see the finished product. I don't want to turn up thinking it's the best thing ever (as all froth suggests) and then leave thinking it wasn't all that.

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Date: 2004-02-02 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-room.livejournal.com
Mark W: dude, I've never met you so sorry if this comes across as rude but you really don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

90% of their audience on Pagga, do me a lemon, we're a minority in a minority. If they want to get the numbers they want they should have leaflets and posters in every RPG shop in the country and possibly even an ad in SFX. THATS how to advertise, Pagga is just a tool for people who already know about stuff and want to go to events, most people need a push to get off their arses and book. If it was as simple as you claim myself and Ed would be sitting on a beach in the south of france spending the profits of Pagga.con.

As for PDF's, wait until you see the rulebook, I'll be there waiting for the apology.

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Date: 2004-02-03 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghostbritain.livejournal.com
Who said i was joking. Are you telling me it's not hyped? Massively? That people havn't been planning their communities and characters since, like, autumn? Or earlier?

Date: 2004-02-02 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-room.livejournal.com
Mark W: As regards getting something for free and then taking it away, I often amuse myself by imagining most of our users having to go cold turkey if ever we decided to turn Pagga off. But I'm not at heart a cruel man so this probably won't happen (unless we turn it off for laugh to see what happens and how many e-mails we get :)).
She needs a laptop and then you can just fight over the phoneline, until you get broadband. It's the only way our household will survive I'm thinking.

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Date: 2004-02-02 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stsquad.livejournal.com
Ahh yes, I'd forgotten about that. However much as setting up gateways is fun and entertaining I've since moved onto using things like this which works, has wireless and most importantly still allows me to setup port forwarding.

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Date: 2004-02-02 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stsquad.livejournal.com
Pretty much - I have yet to play wth the new one (I got for Crimbo) but my old one (a earlier model) has a simple web interface with which even the most simply trained IT monkey could work out what they want.

The 54-g actually runs linux so you can do flashier things with it if you like that sort of thing (e.g. traffic shapping). But really thats just for eggheads, normal operation doesn't require knowing about its guts. Fret ye not ;-)

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Date: 2004-02-02 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samharber.livejournal.com
Identical network cards? as in MAC Addresses?

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Date: 2004-02-02 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stsquad.livejournal.com
Identical as in type. IIRC it was an old PC with ISA Network cards. The limitations of ISA being that you cannot gaurentee which card is detected first so it kept getting the WAN and LAN ports confused. I no longer play with ISA based PC's any more for this reason - my hair is thin enough as it is.

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Date: 2004-02-02 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samharber.livejournal.com
ISA is evil. Don't blame you for not wanting to play with it.

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